A Date Which Will Live in Infamy

"Jcarr" (jcarr)
12/07/2015 at 09:56 • Filed to: Pearl Harbor, USS Arizona

If you don’t follow the !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! , you should. They’ve been doing a series of tweets lately from the perspective of what the ship/Pearl Harbor would have been seeing/hearing leading up to and including the attack. It’s pretty interesting. They’ve also been posting a bunch of interesting pictures.

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DISCUSSION (19)

spanfucker retire bitch > Jcarr
12/07/2015 at 09:58

Dammit, this happens literally every year. For whatever reason I keep thinking Pearl Harbor happened on the 10th and not the 7th.

I need to find some way to rewire my brain or something.

ttyymmnn > Jcarr
12/07/2015 at 10:07

I hate to be that guy, but Roosevelt said , “A date which will live in infamy...”

Interesting photos. I don’t Twit, but maybe I can follow it online?

EDIT: I see you already fixed it.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Jcarr
12/07/2015 at 10:08

I’m still shocked that the Germans would have done something like that.

Jcarr > ttyymmnn
12/07/2015 at 10:11

Yep, read the title and thought “that doesn’t quite sound right”. You can click the first link and just view it at your pleasure, even if you don’t have an account.

Jcarr > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
12/07/2015 at 10:12

I know, they wanted that sweet sweet Hawaiian sugar.

Zzoyd > spanfucker retire bitch
12/07/2015 at 10:15

I probably wouldn’t remember the date either but I have a sib whose birthday is today.

ttyymmnn > Jcarr
12/07/2015 at 10:16

That’s probably one of history’s most misquoted quotes.

The second paragraph of Roosevelt’s speech is interesting. He claims that the US was at peace with Japan, but America had already basically declared economic war on Japan when it froze billions of dollars in her assets in July 1941 following Japanese occupation of Indochina. War was inevitable, and that suited Roosevelt just fine.

Ash78, voting early and often > ttyymmnn
12/07/2015 at 10:28

Sort of like the “One small step for a man...” that was a little garbled.

Ash78, voting early and often > Jcarr
12/07/2015 at 10:29

And if we don’t get that film back from Joe Blake, it’s all for nothing!

/in middle of episode 10

//it’s a documentary, right?

Jcarr > Ash78, voting early and often
12/07/2015 at 10:31

Yep, just wait till the end of the episode.

ttyymmnn > Ash78, voting early and often
12/07/2015 at 10:43

As a military history nerd, should I be watching this show?

Ash78, voting early and often > ttyymmnn
12/07/2015 at 10:49

I would say you’re not missing anything — the realities of WWII are far more interesting and shocking than anything in the show.

Long story/opinion made very short: it’s much more character-driven and probably appeals to a wider audience than guys like us. The military aspects are far more downplayed than I was hoping. I’m sticking with it, but I’m 90% done and can’t recommend it. But to be fair to the show, my bar has been raised pretty high by Breaking Bad, Walking Dead, and the endless, excellent real-life documentaries about WWII that, like I said, are far better than fiction and will leave you with a sense of awe, sadness, appreciation, etc.

ttyymmnn > Ash78, voting early and often
12/07/2015 at 10:50

Yeah, but “One small step for man, one giant leap for mankind” is so much more poetic. I’ve never read anything about it, but I’ve wondered if Armstrong’s words were ad libbed, or if he spent all that time on the way to the Moon figuring out what he would say, or if some poet or speechwriter told him what to say before he left. Being such a momentous occasion, he couldn’t really say, “FUCK YEAH! WE MADE IT! HOLY SHIT!” Although, I wonder how such an announcement would be made in the modern world of Twitter. “MAN ON MOON. OMFG!!11!”

FWIW, science is backing up the “a” theory, even though Armstrong insists that he never said “a”.

http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/is-…

ttyymmnn > Ash78, voting early and often
12/07/2015 at 10:53

Have you read Dick’s book? That might be the way to go. Though, I read Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? and found it to be nothing like Blade Runner (not surprising, really), and really rather depressing and just a bit disturbing.

Ash78, voting early and often > ttyymmnn
12/07/2015 at 10:58

IIRC, he slightly rehearsed it and once admitted he slurred or forgot the “a” but that it still worked fine. I’m much more of the classic Onion opinion. One of the best covers they’ve ever done. EVER:

Kinja'd!!!

Ash78, voting early and often > ttyymmnn
12/07/2015 at 11:02

Nope — but the weird part it, in our thread last week, a lot of opinion said the show was actually better than the book.

To be clear, I think I’d be really impressed if I were sitting in 1962 reading the book when it first came out. The whole thing would still be fresh to society, almost taboo to discuss Jewish genocide, Japanese imperialism, atomic bombs, etc. But these days, most of us history/war nerds have read, heard, and seen just about everything, so it just doesn’t have the impact.

ttyymmnn > Ash78, voting early and often
12/07/2015 at 11:02

I tried to pull that up, but for some reason, The Onion wasn’t responding for me. Yes, one of the best headlines ever. One of my personal favorites, though, was, “Amish Give Up. This is Bullshit, Elders Say”

ttyymmnn > Ash78, voting early and often
12/07/2015 at 11:03

Interesting. I may check it out anyway. After I finish Dune .

Ash78, voting early and often > ttyymmnn
12/07/2015 at 11:03

I subscribed to the print edition when 9/11 happened. Just epic to have this delivered to your mailbox a few days later after their short break.

Kinja'd!!!